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Conversation with “MaCeDonIan PhaLanX”

A new conversation began a few days ago between “MaCeDonIan PhaLanX”, a person from Skopje (a small Slavic nation between Albania and Bulgaria which claims the Greek Macedonia territory as their own) and me, a person from Greece. I tried many times to convince a person from his country to explain their beliefs about the Macedonia Issue. “Why do they believe these beliefs since anybody can erase their theories in just a matter of time?“, “Why they don’t want to listen?“, “Why are they avoiding conversation since they are right and we are wrong?” Why, why, why…? Personally I never received an answer or a logical explanation from them. They just follow the same old tricks which usually use this order:

– “We are right, you are wrong”.
– “You are stupid enough for not be able to understand that”
– “I can’t speak with you, so I’m gonna stop this conversation” (and indeed they stop)

Of course from the other hand we must admit that we want the same. We demand from others to believe us because “we want it”, without thinking if the other person truly wants to agree with us. And here is the irony: we want something we can’t give. Therefore, if we truly want an honest conversation we must hear the other FIRST. And since I never received this kind of attitude from ANY of them as I said (and I repeat: ANY of them) I usually ask them without any hesitation to offer their proofs and their evidence.

Now, if I were you, the first thing I’d consider is this little victory of mine: when someone lies, he usually tries to avoid any kind of conversation because he knows the possible negative results. So since I’m asking them first, it means that I have valuable proofs against them. History can never change and no one can play with. So, common logic provides the obvious result: or they are liars or stupid. And I’m not telling this to judge them or insult them. It’s just an obvious truth.

But, no need to say more. Read the comments and tell me: did you find the “We are right, you are wrong” e.t.c attitude I mentioned before, at the conversation below? Judge for yourself.

The conversation began from a YA! question: “Isn’t Macedonia supposed to be part of Greece, I’m confused? Why is Macedonia separate from Greece?“. I copied the answers as comments below.

Note: I organized the posts with a logical order, without the YA! edits.

UPDATE: Even though I did a copy/paste mistake. He insulted me first and then I told him: “And what is your answer? Some insulting irony.”

  1. 20/08/2012 at 1:44 pm

    Comment by “thatsmeeeeeee”:
    Men of lofty genius when they are doing the least work are most active….
    It is remarkable to what lengths people will go to avoid thought….

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    A note from the Admin: the above comment arrived on my WordPress dashboard yesterday, but as far as I realized after my google IP search, is probably a spam. But I don’t want to condemn a possibly innocent comment, therefore, I would like to ask from the sender to communicate with me if he/she wants to prove me that he is a real person and not a bot or something. Thank you!

    PS: Why I believe this is a spam?
    http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/14.140.0.178

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  2. 07/08/2012 at 9:53 pm

    PART 2 – – –

    Now, about your question:
    > > If you believe that our government has brainwashed us, why don’t you apply the same thing for you. At least have the balls to question that!
    “To question that”? You’re JOKING of course! I WAS WAITING FOR THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION! I was wondering if you ever gonna make it! I WAS PRAYING TO MAKE IT! This sentence is probably the beggining our REAL conversation, without insults. IF of course you are willing to ASK YOURSELF THE SAME THING!

    And the answer is simple: you are right! You DON’T know it. EVERY politician is a dirty politician. Do you actually, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY believe that your education system is correct, because “your are Macedonians”, or “Alexanders ancestors”? You mean all these facts are for your pure survival? [Edit: I meant as a nation based on your historic roots, not physically –Edits ends] Are NOT for the money? Or for the land? Or for the oil? Or for the minerals? If yes then you are naive dear. Politicians DON’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOU! They want normal citizens ONLY as a power supply, NOTHING else. And guess what. You and me are gonna die just to serve THEIR goal. Watch very carefully this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uakgXEHHlCA and notice very well these numbers 3), 5), 10), 12), 13), and 17). (No need to see the rest of the video after the 25th reason… it only shows some Greek natural beauty). Don’t you think it’s funny? Do you think this whole Macedonia issue it’s just a coincidence? Wake up. Everyone can prove that Macedonia is Greek. You are the ONLY NATION IN THE WORLD who says that Macedonia is not Greek. 371 scientists from ALL OVER THE WORLD, from British academy, from America academy, even Australian scientists say that Macedonia is Greek. They were 2 hundred persons at the beginning and now are 371. Not one or two. And certainly not from your own nation. Listen to me: You must realize the plan behind if you want to realize the situation. Else you are puppet. And since you can’t believe any politician, the only option that left (if you want to know the truth about Macedonia of course) is history. History never lies. And if you search history you’ll find thousands of Macedonian statues, coins, texts, marbles, scriptures, which use the GREEK alphabet, they have GREEK ancestry and use GREEK customs. You never gonna find any Slavic. Not because Slavs are incompetent or something. You just don’t have any history. It’s not a crime. Besides you have your future. And you can make it a brilliant one. You can make your own history. No need to steal our own.

    And now it’s your turn: “why don’t you apply the same thing for you?” … exactly as you said… well? Why are the Greeks brainwashed and not you? I said before: “IF of course you are willing to ASK YOURSELF THE SAME THING!” Well? Do you? Every Greek can prove the Greek-Macedonia ancestry. How many Slavs can prove the Slav-Macedonia ancestry? Do you realize now WHY I’m asking you about the proofs? Because you’ll realize the propaganda only when you’ll realize that you don’t have any proofs to give. It will not “blow up in my face” the Greek-Macedonia issue. YOU must broke your bubble not me. IF you are honest enough “as a Macedonian of the new generation” you’ll give me these damn proofs if you want to prove me wrong. Don’t wait. You don’t have to. I’m waiting for you. And I’m not obliged to you know.

    I’m waiting. Will you be the first of the at least 10 people I met from you country the last few months? Or you’ll be just a coward behind a screen who runs away from a poor little Greek?

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  3. 07/08/2012 at 9:49 pm

    – REAL BLOG ANSWERS START HERE –
    @MaCeDonIan PhaLanX – PART 1 – – –

    It’s always a pleasure to educate uneducated people, therefore, I would like to thank you for giving me this opportunity. Also, since I’m amazed of your and your country’s extremely decent behavior, I would like to make you remember your decency which includes:

    – The fact that when a few years back Greece decided to stop it’s trade with you, you were crying to cancel our decision, but now, you have the nerve to call us poor. This is extremely decent and reminds how proud people you are.

    – The fact that when your ex prime minister (P.M) told that “all these time we were lying, Macedonia is Greek” you had the nerve to threat him that you’ll send him to jail! (You know, our constitution has a whole paragraph to describe peoples rights and their freedom to speak). This is again an extremely decent behavior.

    PS: Yes, I know that now you consider him a traitor so you’re not agree with him, but I don’t mean this. I mean that you had the nerve to agree with his ideas to STEAL* your neighbors for your personal interests but when he changed his mind you consider HIM as a traitor and NOT YOURSELVES for being thieves. Dawn… don’t be so decent!

    Steal* = As is written in your contract with your Serbia allies when the whole Macedonia issue started 136 years ago. You can search the official papers and Wikileaks if you have the courage.

    – I also find, not just extremely but twice as much extremely, the fact that you tend to threat NOT ONLY a person with so much power like an ex P.M has, but a poor little guy who has no power at all, and how in the end you managed to put him NOT just in jail but in a asylum as “a crazy person”. Damn. I’ll bet that your are very proud for your decency.

    From the other hand, I’m personally very proud because I met a “true Macedonian of the new generation” who is able to:
    – Claim that he is “a true Macedonian of the new generation” but he uses GREEK words, like “Macedonia” and “phalanx”, to describe itself.

    – Claim that he is, “a true Macedonian of the new generation” but has no idea about Macedonian stuff, for example what a “γωρυτός” is. (What? You don’t understand what is written there? Oh, poor little guy! How’s that? Don’t you know ancient Macedonian?)

    – Claim that he is “a true Macedonian of the new generation” but not only he doesn’t know what a “γωρυτός” is as I said, but I, a Greek, can read it, even if I don’t know ancient Greek.

    With other words, I find EXTREMELY decent your behavior. You are a true monkeydonian… oops, forgive me… I meant “Macedonian”… And please believe me about something: I can add MANY more like the above. Therefore stop wasting time and give me the proofs and evidence I’m asking for. I’m sure that as “a true Macedonian of the new generation”, you are able enough to fight with a poor Greek. Right?

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  4. 07/08/2012 at 5:35 pm

    Answer no12 by elcoun:
    Yahoo allows only a small number of characters for every answer, and since I reached it’s limit I can’t answer you here. So I thought to copy our conversation to my blog and invite you there to speak as much as we want. Tomorrow I’ll post a link here for you to follow. If in the meantime the asker closes the question, I’ll post the link as a comment so check there. (The comment button will appear below the question, before the first answer)

    {As you can see I invited him here… I’ll give him the link in a few moments… Let’s see what’s gonna happen. Will he answer from now on? If you ask my opinion: no… but let’s see… }

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  5. 07/08/2012 at 3:55 pm

    Answer no11 by Destiny
    The most important emperor of Macedonia was Alexander the Great who spread the Greek culture till India.He lived till 323 BC. Slavic people(skopians/Fyromians,the people who would like to be Macedonias ,but aren’t) came in this area in the 6th century AD.So ,you can easily understand that they aren’t ancestors of Alexander the Great.It is all a HUGE PROPAGANDA of Skopia ,in order them to be able to reach the Mediterranean sea.To be specific,Skopia is located in a part of North Macedonia,but the biggest and main part of Macedonia is in Greece and I assure you that real Macedonians are Greek.

    MaCeDonIan PhaLanX,Yes ,he worths everyone’s report

    I am really glad you asked that and that you already knew the truth.
    They can insult us,try to steal our name, but History, thank God, can’t change!

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  6. 07/08/2012 at 3:53 pm

    Answer no11 by ο。ㅇㅁσ:
    There are 2 Macedonias. A region in northern Greece and a fake country above Greece.

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  7. 07/08/2012 at 3:52 pm

    Answer no10 by Artemis
    Skopia or the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia is commonly known (wrongly) as plain old Macedonia these days.

    Macedonia is a region in northern Greece.

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  8. 07/08/2012 at 3:51 pm

    Answer no9 by MaCeDonIan PhaLanX:
    elcoun; My country and people are even poorer than yours, but at least we have the decency to live and behave like humans, not like you – bloodsuckers and parasites. The world has seen your real face, now it’s time for you to acknowledge the same thing – that you are worthless !
    Yep, I belong to the new generation of Macedonians, that doesn’t take crap from nobody, especially not from some bankrupt losers like you. If you believe that our government has brainwashed us, why don’t you apply the same thing for you. At least have the balls to question that ! As I can see, these are the same people who offered you ‘comfortable and easy’ life, telling you that Greece’s economy was stable and safe, right ? Well, we all saw what happened to that statement.
    The best thing for all of you is to point the finger at your Government, present and past, and asked them what else they have been hiding from their ancient and glorious nation !
    I am sure that the issue with the so called ‘Greek Macedonia’ will blow up in your face!
    FYI we can meet in Solun, anytime, on my expense. The hosts pays :)

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  9. 07/08/2012 at 3:50 pm

    Answer no8 by elcoun:
    After your sweet little post I have two choices:
    – To report you for your behavior
    – Not to report you and leave your message there, for everyone to see how well your country educates the new generation in an effort to create uneducated puppets for their plans. Guess what I’m gonna choose!

    (You know the irony here, is that you can search for yourself to find the truth. Even if you don’t believe me, a Greek, you can always search other encyclopedias like British or whatever… but hail to the propaganda…you never gonna do that… I’m I wrong?)

    PS: Since you said you’re rich enough to pay a ticket, you don’t have to wait poor little me to find the money for the trip. You can always take your balls and visit Greece whenever you want. I’ll wait you with open arms. I suggest you to meet me outside the museum. See, it’s always a pleasure to teach uneducated people.

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  10. 07/08/2012 at 3:49 pm

    Answer no7 by MaCeDonIan PhaLanX:
    elcoun: If you have any balls come to Skopje, Macedonia and I’ll show you proofs as much as you want ! In the meantime if you need money for transportation, let me know !

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  11. 07/08/2012 at 3:48 pm

    Answer no6 by elcoun:
    @MaCeDonIan PhaLanX
    I asked from Avicenna and Neil to provide any proofs. As you realize I’m not asking these two personally, but people from your country. And what is your answer? Some insulting irony. Now, tell me: what do you think other people will believe? My proofs or your nothing? Even if I’m wrong (which I’m not and every museum -like Louvre- can prove my rights) people will tend to believe “the something” instead of “the nothing”. I’m asking again: Can you provide any proofs? Or you are one of the many yahoo users who can’t answer just a simple question? It’s a good idea to convince us with evidence not irony. I provided so many. Can you provide just even one?

    Besides based on what you said: “these countries are neighbors” you obviously think that you have rights on your land. Right? But WHO gave you this land c.a 5th century A.D? Don’t you think that you must be grateful for having just a home to stay without being Slavs (slaves), since Byzantium was the only empire who respected you and provided you with everything you needed? And instead you’re trying to steal other peoples land and history? God! Don’t be so grateful! We can’t stand it!

    Anyway, it’s obvious that some of us was sleeping in his class, but obviously based on the evidence, encyclopedias, ancient texts, etc, this person wasn’t me. And -I’m asking for a third time- CAN -some of- you provide any proofs? Or not?

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  12. 07/08/2012 at 7:02 am

    Answer no5 by MaCeDonIan PhaLanX:
    You are confused because you’ve slept over the history class. No worries.
    The only connection between Macedonia and Greece is that these countries are neighbors, nothing more nothing less.

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  13. 07/08/2012 at 7:00 am

    Answer no5 by elcoun (my answer):
    It is not “supposed” to be a part of Greece. IT IS a part of Greece for the last 11.000 years now. Read this older thread and also read the provided links from the answers: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AjN8OcmCSIe9XUrJz3FP3ALty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20120712113049AAEs8jv

    @ Avicenna & Neil.
    Personally I prefer to be a hothead with proofs and evidence, instead a “coolhead” with no evidence. But if you really have some evidence please provide them. You don’t need to wait.

    PS: I suggest to read the links I mentioned above. No need to say the same things over and over.

    MACEDONIA IS GREEK!

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  14. 07/08/2012 at 6:58 am

    Answer no4 by CMV:
    Macedonia today is a region in Northern Greece

    Makedonja is a Former Yugoslav Republic of that name , and lies north of Greece . Its people are about 75% Slavs , and speak a dialect of Bulgarian . The remaining 25% are mostly Albanians , cousins to those within Albania and Kosovo .

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  15. 07/08/2012 at 6:58 am

    Answer no3 by Avicenna:
    Confused you may be, but Macedonia is totaly independent and separated from the country of Greece. It is only the song of the past in some Greek hotheads…..to harbour the believe that Macedonia is part of their land. In the same way could be the Hungarians asking for part of Serbia, Slovanian Istria, Italian Trieste, Slovakia, Romania etc…etc…etc

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  16. 07/08/2012 at 6:54 am

    Answer no2 by Neil:
    Macedonia is a country that for borders Greece, not a city in it. It is also a neighbor of Albania

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  17. 07/08/2012 at 6:53 am

    Answer no1 by Voelven:
    You’ve opened a can of worms with this question, with Greeks on one side and inhabitants of the Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia on the other side.

    To put it briefly, yes, Macedonia is a part of Greece, but then there is also the country “The Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia” (FYR).

    Wikipedia describes it pretty well:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia

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