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FYROM Genetic Propaganda against Greek Nation – Part 3

Modern and ancient Greeks

Some authors in the West and Turkey [13] have posited that the Greeks of today are not culturally or demographically related to the Greeks of classical antiquity. Notable among them was the 19th century Austrian historian Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer. Fallmerayer, in his work Geschichte der Halbinsel Morea während des Mittelalters, averred that demographic continuity in Greece was interrupted brutally by successive waves of invasion and migration between the 6th and 8th century by Slavs, and later, in the second half of the 14th century by Albanians [14]who occupied and settled mainly in the Peloponnese. [15]According to this narrative, the centre of gravity of the ancient Greek ethnos was shifted outside the boundaries of modern Greece, and so the “demographic evidence is at best tenuous, at worst non-existent”. [15] The traditional view is that the Fallmerayer thesis, rooted in 19th century racialism, [16]provoked an “outraged” Greek response, of which Constantine Paparrigopoulos was the spearhead;[88] however, modern scholarly opinion tends to see both Fallmerayer and Paparrigopoulos as taking positions influenced by and intelligible only within the political and intellectual decline of Western philhellenism. [17]

Fallmerayer’s controversial and racist [16][17] views were later incorporated in Nazi theoretician Alfred Rosenberg’s Der Mythus des 20es Jahrhunderts and found adherents in the Third Reich who echoed them in their writings. [18][19][20] They were also actively promoted by the Axis occupation authorities in Greece who hoped to extinguish any sympathy their troops might feel for the Greeks. [18] Other Western authors say that it is Westerners who are the “true heirs” of Greece, since Greeks today, whom they label “modern Greeks”, are the product of “genetic dissonance” and “mingling with slaves”. [21] While the point of demographic continuity has been contested by several authors in the West and Greece, ideas of race have never been such a prominent feature in the Greek world, either ancient, [22] or later. The medieval Greek mythological hero Digenis Acritas was so named because of his dual, Greek and Syrian, parentage. [23]

The most obvious link between modern and ancient Greeks is their language, which has a documented tradition from at least the 14th century BC to the present day, albeit with a break during the Greek Dark Ages. The Byzantinist Robert Browning, compares its continuity of tradition to Chinese alone.[25] At its inception, Hellenism was a matter of common culture[26] and the national continuity of the Greek world is more certain than its demographic. [15]Even during the Slavic migrations, in Ionia and Constantinople there was a Hellenic revival in language, philosophy and literature and on classical models of thought and scholarship. Such revivals would manifest again in the 10th and 14th century providing a powerful impetus to the sense of cultural affinity with ancient Greece and its classical heritage. [15] The cultural changes undergone by the Greeks are, despite a surviving common sense of ethnicity, undeniable. At the same time the Greeks have retained their language and alphabet, certain values, a sense of religious and cultural difference and exclusion, (the word barbarian was used by 12th century historian Anna Komnene to describe non-Greek speakers), [24] a sense of Greek identity and common sense of ethnicity despite the many political and social changes of the past two millennia.

Sources:

  1. [13] Deniz Bolukbasi, Turkey and Greece: The Aegean Disputes, 2004,
  2. [14] Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer, Geschichte der Halbinsel Morea während des Mittelalters. Teil 2: Morea, durch innere Kriege zwischen Franken und Byzantinern verwüstet und von albanischen Colonisten überschwemmt, wird endlich von den Türken erobert. Von 1250–1500 nach Christus, Stuttgart-Tübingen (1836), supra
  3. [15] Smith, Anthony D. (1991). National identity. Reno: University of Nevada Press, 29.
  4. [16] Peter Trudgill, Sociolinguistic Variation and Change, 2002, Edinburgh University Press, p.131,
  5. [17] Stathis Gourgouris, Dream Nation: Enlightenment, Colonization, and the Institution of Modern Greece, 1996, Stanford University Press, p.142-143,
  6. [18] W. R. Loader, “Greeks Ancient and Modern”, in Greece & Rome, Vol. 18, No. 54 (Oct., 1949), p. 121, Published by the Cambridge University Press
  7. [19] M. Mazower, Inside Hitler’s Greece: the experience of occupation, 1941-44, 2001, Yale University Press, p. 158,
  8. [20] Neni Panourgia, The Fragments of Death, Fables of Identity: An Athenian Anthropography, 1995, University of Wisconsin Press, p. 28,
  9. [21] James C. Russell, The Western Contribution to World History, The Occidental Quarterly, 1, 2, Winter 2001
  10. [22] Gocha R. Tsetskhladze (ed.), Ancient Greeks West and East, Christopher Tuplin, Greek Racism? Observations on the character and limits of Greek ethnic prejudice, BRILL, p. 47-49,
  11. [23] Beaton, Roderick, David Ricks (edd.), Digenes Akrites: New Approaches to Byzantine Heroic Poetry, Aldershot, King’s College London, 1993,
  12. [24] Anna Comnena, Alexiad, Bk. 1-15, throughout

Source:  Modern Macedonian history

  1. FYROM Genetic Propaganda against Greek Nation – Part 1 (intro)
  2. FYROM Genetic Propaganda against Greek Nation – Part 2
  3. FYROM Genetic Propaganda against Greek Nation – Part 3
  4. FYROM Genetic Propaganda against Greek Nation – Part 4
  5. FYROM Genetic Propaganda against Greek Nation – Part 5 (Epilogue)
  1. 14/10/2014 at 10:25 am

    PS: This was the last time that I gave you an answer. I can’t lose my time for every brainwashed kid who consider herself a lady (“Lady D”) but from the other hand knows very well how to insult the others when she doesn’t even know the origin of her own name. There is plenty of information on the web to learn more info about the unhistorical stuff you’re learning at your schools. Don’t bother to give me another answer. I won’t publish it if it doesn’t contain some SERIOUS historical evidence.

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  2. lady D
    06/10/2014 at 2:20 pm

    poor clowns! ur arguments are wikipedia! hhahahaha! but since when strabo is a greek historian??? as far as we all know he wasa roman ancient historian and geographer.
    modern greeks are of slavo turkish origin, have no clue with antiquity! dont fall that low to steal macedonian history and make laugh around web!

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    • 14/10/2014 at 10:15 am

      >> since when Strabo is a Greek historian?
      Since the day that he was born in the Greek territory of Pontous approx in 63BC

      >> ur arguments are Wikipedia!
      Now that you mentioned Wikipedia:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strabo

      >> modern Greeks are of Slav-Turkish origin,
      Greeks are natives in their land since the Mycenaean era (1600-1100 BC) and are totally irrelevant with you pseudo-Macedonians who established in the Balkans after the 6th century AD and were under Turkish occupation for 500 HUNDRED years after Constantinople’s fall in 1453 so don’t confuse us with you.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycenae
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycenaean_Greece
      http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/myce/hd_myce.htm

      >> modern Greeks […] have no clue with antiquity
      Assuming that you are talking about THE Classical antiquity and not the common term which describes ANY period before the Middle Ages (476–1453 AD) then, it becomes crystal clear who is right and who is wrong (you or me) when the term “Classical antiquity” defines two countries: Greece and Rome.

      Quote from Wikipedia:
      “Classical antiquity (also the classical era, classical period or classical age) is a broad term for a long period of cultural history centered on the Mediterranean Sea, comprising the interlocking civilizations of ancient Greece and ancient Rome, collectively known as the Greco-Roman world. It is the period in which Greek and Roman society flourished and wielded great influence throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East”

      >> Poor clowns!
      …said the person who is old enough to know a foreign to him language (English) but it doesn’t know that proper names begin with a capital letter (“strabo”? “greek”? “slavs”? “macedonian”? God! Seriously?)

      PS: Can I assume that you’re a poor clown too since the first name from your email -Demetra- is Greek?

      EDIT// Sorry I forgot to answer to this:
      >> don’t fall that low to steal macedonian history…
      Steal Macedonian history? You mean the history of the:
      – ONE
      – ONLY
      – And AUTHENTIC

      Macedonia? The one which began it’s history:
      – In 750BC? – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonians

      – … by a GREEK person from the family of the Temenids? – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temenus

      – … who was a family member of the Argead Dynasty? – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argead_dynasty

      – … and the grandfather of Heracles? (Hercules) – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles

      – … who was from Peloponnese? – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloponnese

      – … i.e, from the same peninsula that Leonidas and his 300 men were? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonidas_I

      – … who were so brave that 3.000 years later are still remembered as great heroes and movies are dedicated to them? – https://www.google.gr/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=Zgw9VN2PCPDc8geP_YGABQ#q=300+the+movie

      – … and who were speaking the same GREEK dialect called “Doric”? – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doric_Greek

      – … from the GREEK Dorian people? – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorians

      – … which is still is use in GREECE AND IN THE ONE AND ONLY AUTHENTIC MACEDONIA?

      -… and, and and….

      WELL? THAT MACEDONIA?

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